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Location:

Eatonville,WA,USA

Member Since:

Nov 01, 2007

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Age Division Winner

Running Accomplishments:

Short-Term Running Goals:

Regain consistency.

Build up slowly and come out strong.

Regain "speed" (relative)

Finish WR50 again.

Improve at Cascade Crest. 

2013 Races:

  • Capital Peak Mega Fat Ass 17M (1/19) - 2:48:48
  • Yakima Skyline Rim 50K (4/21) - 7:16:20
  • Grey Rock 50K (5/13)
  • White River 50M (7/27)
  • Cascade Crest 100M (8/24-25)

 

Long-Term Running Goals:

Find my true running potential, then exceed it.

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Hoka Stinson B Lifetime Miles: 982.34
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Off day.  Still riding the high from having a great race, but some post-marathon thoughts I want to save so I don't forget them:

  • Mental preparation was critical for this race.  I have a problem with 5Ks and Marathons.  I don't like the way 5Ks hurt and it's difficult for me to race as hard as I should.  Marathons are more insiduous....I tend to "not believe".  I worked hard to quash these thoughts during training and to consciously tell myself I could do it.  They got worse the final month or so of training so it really became an effort to not slip up.  That mental discipline helped tremendously when the same thoughts crept in early in the race and was key to not fading during the final 8 miles.  When the headwinds kicked up, my mind kept trying to telling me it was over, but I kept pushing that thought back and telling myself I could do it (run the sub-3).  It worked.  It also required a lot of practice, just like everything else leading up to racing a marathon.
  • During my 3 day carbo-loading, I actually counted the grams of carbs I was injesting and tried to hit 4g/lb of body weight (648g).  Harder than I'd thought to get that many, but considering how I felt towards the end of the marathon, if I hadn't I probably would've bonked.
  • Decision to take 4 GU with me was also key.  Whether real or psychological, the "extra" GU I took at 24 just before my final push felt like it was critical at a time when I was very tired, hurting, and trying to gather myself for the push up the hill followed by the final push towards the end, which I knew would be incredibly painful.  It was. 
  • Gatorade consumption alone would not have been adequate.  It worked for me in Seattle last year, but the aid stations here didn't fill the cups with much (probably 4oz versus 6-8oz in Seattle).  Having the GU saved my bacon.
  • Sticking with the Adrenaline shoes was smart.  Heavier and with a higher heel, yes, but the last miles my feet were hurting and the extra support was critical.  I need to train more in lightweight shoes/flats, but for now this decision was a good one.
  • Reduced taper got me sharp for race day.  If I would've tapered more, my legs might've felt fresher, but I'm pretty sure I would've felt more sluggish.  With the taper I did, my legs only felt okay fresh by 2 days prior, but I didn't feel any of the sluggishness I normally feel during a larger taper.
  • Why do I still underperform the marathon?  I'm not complaining, mind you, but my best 1/2 marathon time predicted a 2:56:44 marathon and I'd like my 153 seconds back, thank you very much.  I guess this will be one of my goals coming out of this....figure out how to out-perform a marathon.
  • Having someone to run with at your pace during the event is *very* helpful, but another key is talking beforehand to set expectations if one or the other slows.  I broached the topic with David when we were waiting for the start, primarily because I seriously figured I'd be the one fading and he'd be the one running away from me, and I didn't want to hold him back.  I felt a bit guilty leaving him (still do) and tried to help pull him along for a mile or so but when it came down to it, I was able to go without feeling too badly.  
  • Wearing race singlets opens up new possibilities for rubbing skin raw....like between my arm and back on my right side.  Need to apply body-glide there next time!
That's all for now, but I'll add to the list as they strike me.

Night Sleep Time: 8.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 8.00
Comments
From kelsey on Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 14:40:54

Congrats on a great PR!!! How exciting. I was laughing at your small marathon remarks... I am running my second in about 5 weeks and there will be about 150 marathoners (plus maybe another 150 halfers). I wasn't sure if it was a good thing or a bad thing, but I really want to PR and possibly BQ so I figure a smaller marathon is the way to go. We actually have a lot in common, as I also love the padding in my Brooks Adrenaline 8s and think GU is a must :)

Congrats again on an awesome run!!

From Dale on Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 14:49:08

Thanks. I think if you don't mind smaller #s of spectators, the smaller events are much better than the really large ones. Some much more personal.

I see you also have NB 903s....I love those, but start getting foot pain after about 11-12 miles of hard running in them, so they were a no-go for the marathon. But I definitely prefer them for shorter events.

Looks like from your recent half-marathon time, you've got quite a marathon PR just waiting to be let loose! Go get 'em!

From Kelsey on Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 15:32:08

I sure hope so! I am getting a little anxious already, especially about tapering.

I figure the small marathon is place for me to go do what I have to do, you know. No spectacle, just me out there doing my thing. We don't have crowd support for our long runs, so I shouldn't need it for the marathon! (hopefully!)

I think I bought my 903s in a half size too big. I may return them for a smaller size. I have worn them once for a warm up and cool down, and it will definitely be weird getting used to the lesser padding, but I want a shoe that is lighter for my shorter distances, I think it makes you feel faster.

From Dale on Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 15:44:28

Well, I'd suggest not tapering too much, especially since you're not running consecutive days. Unless you feel like you really need the rest, keep the mileage up and only pull back a little bit in the final 2 weeks. I cut 25% and 50% in the final two weeks and it worked out well, as opposed to full 3 week tapers which didn't. Just one opinion, though...

From Kelsey on Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 16:08:47

I definitely don't mind hearing advice about tapering, since I am really new to this. My last marathon I had a weird semi-injury that planned my final few weeks for me (minimal running). I think I will do something similar to what you did, enough to keep my legs fresh as possible while not tiring them. I may come back to you with more specific advice if I start doubting my decisions.

From Dale on Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 16:10:59

EVERYONE doubts their decisions as they taper.....I think it's part of the definition. Just make a plan and go with it, unless something bad (injury) happens. You'll be fine!

From DonGardinero on Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 16:42:13

Dale, the other Dale here. Nice to meet you. Sorry about the little problem with you getting emails about comments you never made. LOL. I realized earlier what I had done when I saw there actually was a user named DALE but I didn't know how to fix it. Great job at your marathon yesterday.

Dale (DonGardinero)

From Dale on Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 16:49:01

No worries. We're not the first ones that have encountered that little "feature".

Thanks.

From Superfly on Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 18:03:00

Great job on a big PR!

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 19:25:13

I enjoyed reading your after-thoughts. I think I am a 2 week taper person as well; I've never been happy with the 3. That's on my list for CIM. Also, I was very interested in your thoughts about mental strategies and fighting negative thoughts. I have never been good at this when I get tired. I like the idea of practicing it - I assume you mean during one's long runs. I am so inspired by your experience.

From Dale on Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 09:04:07

Thanks Superfly.

Snoqualmie - Wow, it's nice to inspire someone! I was just pouring my brain into the blog so I'll remember all this for next time since my memory is really lousy :).

For me the negative thoughts happen all the time. I'd even catch myself daydreaming as the race got closer on how the heck I'd manage to hold my goal MP the entire distance. When I caught myself doing it, I'd scold myself for doubting, remember all the training I'd done that showed I was capable, and would tell myself I could. I guess more of a positive affirmation to replace the doubting. It honestly felt pretty dumb at times but I didn't know what else to try but felt like I had to try something. It seemed to work....the last miles were lonely and I found myself struggling to stay positive against the wind and watching my garmin paces that seemed to be coming in just a few seconds off pace. I really wanted to slow down but kept telling myself I could make the 3 hr cutoff and to keep going....the habit of positive reinforcement definitely helped me in that situation since it almost came naturally.

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